"MessageType" "Subject" "SubjectOther" "Comments" "Username" "UserEmail" "ContactRequested" "Date" "Time" "HTTP User Agent" "Suggestion" "Web Site" "" "see how well this is working" "" "leland@Parowanprophet.com" "ContactRequested" "8/13/98" "8:27:32 PM" "Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.0; Windows 95)" "Other" "Web Site" "" "email still does not work" "leland@parowanprophet.com" "leland@parowanprophet.com" "ContactRequested" "8/24/98" "1:07:20 PM" "Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.0; Windows 95)" "Suggestion" "Web Site" "" "The Bible teaches that no man knows neither the day nor the hour. Only God knows when he will come back in his glory. I see the signs also, but your interpretation of the Bible is wacked out. Read the scriptures in context intead of taking them out and twisting them. As a student of The Word, maybe I can help shed some light on this subject. A word of advise. Study all the scriptures, and the time period before you make any more boasts about what is going to happen. I don't dissagree that you are a prophet or not, but the way you have twisted God's Word is disgusting, and an abomination unto our Lord and Savior. Read Revelation in the last chapter and the last 5 verses. Please reply!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! " "Charles Ferraro" "cferraro@weber.edu" "11/19/98" "3:45:11 PM" "Mozilla/4.05 [en] (Win95; I)" "Suggestion" "Web Site" "" "a) you don't have any more Priesthood than the pope b) however I think the picture of you blowing the trunpet is cool c) good luck, but I think you're a mantle short of a real prophet" "" "" "11/20/98" "11:12:35 AM" "Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.0; Windows 95)" "Suggestion" "Web Site" "" "Your website is unclear as to whether or not you are Mormon yourself. You have pieces and segments of so many differing sources that you confuse me more than you help me to see your point of view. Truth is not confusing. Your website is too jumbled. Give background on the reasons why you are sharing information with your readers, don't just start writing things randomly and then title them ""Diana"" or ""Nuclear war"". " "" "" "1/26/99" "10:59:33 AM" "Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; I)" "Suggestion" "Flyer Information" "" "You are a nut case, I have heard of you, I think you brain was scrambled in the plane wreck" "" "" "3/3/99" "8:32:01 PM" "Mozilla/4.08 [en] (WinNT; I ;Nav)" "Problem" "Personal" "" "Can you give me any direction about my life, and put me on your prayer list. Thank you Evelyn" "Evelyn Haines" "EFerr29480@aol.com" "ContactRequested" "7/3/99" "6:56:40 AM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; AOL 4.0; Windows 95)" "Suggestion" "Personal" "" "Get Saved Quick, before the blood of the many that have looked at this and been deceived is on your hands and can not be washed off. By the way most prophets were accepted when they spoke in compliance with the word of God, you on the other hand do not." "a true prophet" "JehovaJiro@AOL.com" "7/12/99" "8:44:38 PM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; MSN 2.5; AOL 4.0; Windows 98)" "Suggestion" "Flyer Information" "" "Forgot one thing. The snakes wrapped around the staff was a symbol of greek pagan worship." "a true prophet" "JehovaJiro@AOL.com" "7/12/99" "8:46:54 PM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; MSN 2.5; AOL 4.0; Windows 98)" "Problem" "Web Site" "" "Oi nutter, what happened to the war at Christmas then? Fools, all of you. " "Rob Cullen" "robc@burgers.freeserve.co.uk" "8/15/99" "11:38:03 AM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95)" "Suggestion" "Web Site" "" "From the ParowanProphet: Come to Parowan, and I will show you that in the past year, NOT one person with a credit card has helped me with even ""one"" cent donation. I'll show you bank statements for the past year. So I am not doing it for $ $ the information is free. But I do need some help, so I ask. Will God hear when you ask for help?" "Leland Freeborn" "leland@parowanprophet.com" "8/18/99" "3:38:18 PM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98; NetUtah.com)" "Problem" "(Other)" "readings of the bible" "You said that the second comming of Christ has already happened but that is rediculous. Read revelations. just because it was prophasized 2000 years ago doesn't mean anything. Time in heaven and for God are meaningless he said a day shall be as a thousand years. The second comeing also marks the tribulation and the events set forth in the book of revelations, and although there are signs of these comming to pass it has not come to pass. You should sit down, read, and understand the Bible before makeing claims about God's prophesis" "Michael Vinecke" "drjamima@hotmail.com" "ContactRequested" "10/13/99" "9:52:02 AM" "Mozilla/4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC)" "Other" "(Other)" "" "this is where you said it : Have you heard that the Second Coming of Jesus Christ has passed? Passed? Already happened? James the Apostle and ""little brother"" of Jesus said in James 5:8 ""Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh"" (almost 2,000 years ago). Peter the Apostle said in I Peter 4:7 ""But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer"" (almost 2,000 years ago). John the Apostle said in I John 2:17-18 ""And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: But he that doeth the will of God abideth forever. Little children it is the last time: and as ye have head that Anti-Christ shall come, even now (almost 2,000 years ago) are there many antichrists, whereby we know that it is the last time."" John the Revelator 1:1,3 said:""The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto Him (Jesus) to shew unto his servants (prophets) things which must shortly come to pass (almost 2,000 years ago); Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand"" (almost 2,000 years ago.) Revelations 1:7 ""Behold, He cometh with clouds (mushroom clouds Revelations 14:14) and every eye shall see him (For our God is a consuming fire—Hebrews 12:29) and they also which pierced him (Jews, anti-Christ) and all kindreds of the earth shall wail (cry) because of him. Even so Amen."" what about in revelations when God says that when he comes there will be a great trumpet sound and those who are saved will be taken up with him in heaven, and with him he will take our weapons of mass destruction. Also the bible speaks of an antichrist not antichrists. the antichrist is satan he will come and claim to be the savior and it will seem as if he has come for peace and to save the world when in fact he has come to destroy it. Christians will die by beheading if they don't renounce christ and those who choose to follow him ( antichrist ) will recieve the mark of the beast (666) and without this mark you won't be able buy so much as groceries. I haven't seen any of this. Have you? I also have some additional questions for you. what exactly are your beliefs what i mean is what religion do you claim? you say that you are an excommunicated mormon so do you still hold some of the basic mormon beliefs or have you changed religion or what. i only ask because i want a better perspective of your beliefs" "Michael Vinecke" "drjamima@hotmail.com" "ContactRequested" "10/14/99" "10:04:51 AM" "Mozilla/4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC)" "Complaint" "Personal" "" "You are a complete and total nut. I was listening to you on a radio station in the bay area and I can't 'beleive how ridiculous you sound when you speak. You may think you are intelligent, but you are one of the most ignorant individuals i have ever heard speak. You have multiple wives which is illegal in this country, and you think it is like some big acheivement. You are a slime who has nothing better to with your time than make up ludicrous things in your mind. Make an honest man out of yourself. Get a good job, marry one woman and take care of your children and contribute something to your society other than your ignorance. " "" "" "10/18/99" "2:55:13 PM" "Mozilla/4.06 [en] (Win95; I)" "Suggestion" "(Other)" "nuke photos" "Your site is interesting. I've been searching for nuke photos on the web and have found two that convey a dramatic sense of danger and awe. You may already have seen them. Here are the url's to get to the photos. This is Romeo, an 11 MT H-bomb detonated on 3/26/1954. The url may be on two lines. If so, you'll need to combine them. It comes from the DOE atomospheric testing photo library available on the www. http://www.nv.doe.gov/news&pubs/photos&films/Images/photolib/8X10/XX33.JPG This next one is of Mohawk, a 350 KT device detonated on 7/2/1956. Mohawk is the most dramatic photograph I've yet seen of a thermonuclear device. http://www.enviroweb.org/issues/nuketesting/testpix/mohawkb.gif Cordially, Dave " "Dave Iler" "iler@suuper.cc.suu.edu" "11/24/99" "11:25:43 AM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0)" "Suggestion" "Web Site" "" "While I believe that God DID grace us with prophets and knowers, I also believe that any person can read and interpret the bible as s/he sees fit. What I truly believe -- more than any other thing in this world -- is that God loved us so that He brought forth and sacrificed His own son so we may be forgiven our sins. I think that your views and your opinions (and I've only seen a little bit) are hard-hearted and cold. I don't believe that you truly understand the gift that God gave us when he gave us His son, Christ the Lord. He gave us forgiveness and the chance to be welcomed into the Kingdom of Heaven. Regardless of those errors we DO make here in this life, I believe that if we ask for forgiveness and truly regret our actions, He will forgive. I also believe that He loves all of His children, regardless of color, sex OR sexual orientation. It is far too easy to pluck a random biblical quote and insinuate that God meant this or that. I think, rather, to interpret His word as it should be interpreted: a mystical, wonderful gift to guide and comfort us when we need him -- and even when we think we don't. I don't think that His word was intended to cause hate or to judge others, as that is His job NOT ours. Thank you." "HEATHER" "FAYTH1974@YAHOO.COM" "ContactRequested" "1/22/97" "10:49:49 AM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95)" "Suggestion" "(Other)" "God's Name" "" "" "" "1/31/97" "1:23:40 AM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)" "Suggestion" "(Other)" "God's Name2" "It's Elohim, not Eloheim. " "John Smith" "r2y5builder@hotmail.com" "1/31/97" "1:27:26 AM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)" "Other" "Web Site" "A voice to help." "I was wondering if I could use some of your information to ""voice"" or talk out about the war, no not war but massacre that Russia will be puting on mother americas back. My address is in the name slot. please write " "4195w 3800s west valley city,utah 84120" "" "ContactRequested" "2/25/97" "9:32:26 AM" "Mozilla/4.7 [en] (Win95; I)" "Other" "Web Site" "A voice to help." "I was wondering if I could use some of your information to ""voice"" or talk out about the war, no not war but massacre that Russia will be putting on mother Americas back. My address is in the name slot. please write. I am the Voice " "4195w 3800s west valley city,utah 84120" "" "ContactRequested" "2/25/97" "9:34:27 AM" "Mozilla/4.7 [en] (Win95; I)" "Other" "(Other)" "feedback" "I am 13 yrs old, very good on the computer and thats partly how I found you. The other half was simply a gentle felling, i was just screwing around punching keys and I accidentally pushed enter the computer took me to you . Gotta go ,write back later." "THE VOICE" "" "ContactRequested" "2/26/97" "12:52:14 PM" "Mozilla/4.7 [en] (Win95; I)" "Suggestion" "(Other)" "letters" "you still have not wrote but when you do enclose your address, please so i can write back, da Voice" "3800s 4195w west valley city" "please" "ContactRequested" "3/3/97" "12:44:01 PM" "Mozilla/4.7 [en] (Win95; I)" "Other" "Web Site" "Outstanding Service" "I would like to Thank you very much for sending me the CD Disk, as you had promised last month. It is a real pleasure to do Business with a Gentleman who keeps his word. Once again, Thank You very much and God Be with you. Russ Teague" "Russell Teague" "russteague@pobox.com" "3/11/97" "1:19:45 PM" "Mozilla/4.08 [en] (Win95; U ;Nav)" "Other" "Web Site" "" "Thanks for the basic survival info. Although, I do think you are a few years off. (2026 + or - a couple). Other than that, I can't fault your site. Thanks again for a rich and powerful perspective on the scriptures." "Mark Stone" "dmstone@bellsouth.net" "3/24/97" "12:55:18 PM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98)" "Other" "(Other)" "linking information" "I wanted you to know that I have put a link to your site from mine. Please email me if you have a problem with this or comments, etc.." "" "e_tech@techie.com" "4/30/97" "2:33:49 PM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98)" "Suggestion" "Web Site" "" "Brother Leland, When do you think the US fits into the order of Phrophecies. What will preceed America's phropecies being fullfilled?" "KEVIN DELUCA" "delucakp@clb.usmc.mil" "ContactRequested" "5/14/97" "11:22:41 AM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt)" "Suggestion" "Web Site" "" "Have you ever thought about the ABM treaty. in summary it says that u.s.a. can not launch missiles. Russia is also with this treaty which means that if they launch missiles in the air TOWARDS the u.s. NATO, and half a dozen other treaty organizations would automatically send forces to take Russia out. not to mention the other countries such as france, and others that would send aid to anti-russian forces. what concerns me is while everyone is concerned with Russia the impact of the missiles will not only be devastating but other countries such as Third World Coiuntries would see an opportunity and take more action against the u.s.. on a different note, I agree that the u. s. is a new israel not only because there is tons and tons of evidence supporting that but look at all the ""evil"" countries that want to strike us down. I am a firm believer in what you prophesie and only hope that you are true in what you say. please e-mail me." "kenny brown" "kennybrown444@hotmail.com" "ContactRequested" "8/23/00" "8:03:19 PM" "Mozilla/4.7 [en] (Win95; U)" "Suggestion" "Web Site" "" "Have you ever thought about the ABM treaty. in summary it says that u.s.a. can not launch missiles. Russia is also with this treaty which means that if they launch missiles in the air TOWARDS the u.s. NATO, and half a dozen other treaty organizations would automatically send forces to take Russia out. not to mention the other countries such as france, and others that would send aid to anti-russian forces. what concerns me is while everyone is concerned with Russia the impact of the missiles will not only be devastating but other countries such as Third World Coiuntries would see an opportunity and take more action against the u.s.. on a different note, I agree that the u. s. is a new israel not only because there is tons and tons of evidence supporting that but look at all the ""evil"" countries that want to strike us down. I am a firm believer in what you prophesie and only hope that you are true in what you say. please e-mail me." "kenny brown" "kennybrown444@hotmail.com" "ContactRequested" "8/23/00" "8:03:42 PM" "Mozilla/4.7 [en] (Win95; U)" "Suggestion" "Web Site" "" "You need help." "Sherrard McEwin" "sherrardoh@hotmail.com" "" "11/6/00" "4:28:45 PM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)" "Other" "(Other)" "Your identity " "I'm writing a school paper about calendars and I'd like to quote you but I don't know your name. So i would like to know your name." "Pearl Winner" "xxpearlxx77@hotmail.com" "" "1/11/01" "1:34:48 AM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)" "Other" "(Other)" "Your identity " "I'm writing a school paper about calendars and I'd like to quote you but I don't know your name. So i would like to know your name." "Pearl Winner" "xxpearlxx77@hotmail.com" "ContactRequested" "1/11/01" "1:35:00 AM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)" "Other" "(Other)" "Your identity " "I'm writing a school paper about calendars and I'd like to quote you but I don't know your name. So i would like to know your name." "Pearl Winner" "xxpearlxx77@hotmail.com" "ContactRequested" "1/11/01" "1:35:20 AM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)" "Suggestion" "Web Site" "you" "My suggestion is that you must REALLY get back on that medication.....No REALLY......." "" "" "" "3/14/01" "9:31:58 PM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; AOL 5.0; Windows 98)" "Suggestion" "Web Site" "" "You're an idiot. People like you shouldn't breed." "" "" "" "5/4/01" "1:50:21 PM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)" "Suggestion" "Web Site" "" "You're an idiot. People like you shouldn't breed." "Not a fan of you loons." "ergh@sigh.com" "" "5/4/01" "1:50:57 PM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)" "Suggestion" "(Other)" "" "Wow. You have some info in here. You spent a lot of time putting this together. It is interesting to me how being a white student of the Bible for 25 years I never saw this I would guess that it is because your twisted little narrow mind had to inject things in the scripure that just are not there. I'll pray that the ture God of the Bible will calm your fear and will open your eyes to the truth of the Bible. The message is not white dominance Do you really think God is that small that He would be concerned with pettiness like the color of your skin. ""God looks on the heart, Man looks on the outward appearance."" May the Lord take away your hate and open your eyes and heart to His true love. Oh, and I am really not stupid enough to give my address to you. " "E C" "qt4321@aol.com" "" "6/23/01" "10:20:58 PM" "Mozilla/4.08 [en] (WinNT; I)" "Suggestion" "(Other)" "" "Wow. You have some info in here. You spent a lot of time putting this together. It is interesting to me how being a white student of the Bible for 25 years I never saw this I would guess that it is because your twisted little narrow mind had to inject things in the scripure that just are not there. I'll pray that the ture God of the Bible will calm your fear and will open your eyes to the truth of the Bible. The message is not white dominance Do you really think God is that small that He would be concerned with pettiness like the color of your skin. ""God looks on the heart, Man looks on the outward appearance."" May the Lord take away your hate and open your eyes and heart to His true love. Oh, and I am really not stupid enough to give my address to you. " "E C" "qt4321@aol.com" "" "6/23/01" "10:21:07 PM" "Mozilla/4.08 [en] (WinNT; I)" "Other" "(Other)" "" "I checkyour website often and enjoy the updates. However I have a hard time finding current updates, things are kind of jumbled together. Also, cAn I purchase an ad to put in our local paper, from you, with your name on it? We would be run out of town if we put our name on a Nuclear war warning, but if your name was on it, hehe, I don't think they would think anything of it and maybe someone would actually read it. Our reputation is not the greatest around here as it is. We would pay you for the ad if you could submit it to our paper, depending on how much it would cost. Maybe we could call it tithing or something and justify the expense. Also, I tried donating to you to receive your nuclear war info and website disc, but after entering all the information, it said access was denied. Our credit card is current, so I don't know what the problem is. Thank you, Jeanette Skeem" "Jeanette Skeem" "hiddenoasis@hotmail.com" "ContactRequested" "7/26/01" "11:29:41 AM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)" "Other" "(Other)" "" "I checkyour website often and enjoy the updates. However I have a hard time finding current updates, things are kind of jumbled together. Also, cAn I purchase an ad to put in our local paper, from you, with your name on it? We would be run out of town if we put our name on a Nuclear war warning, but if your name was on it, hehe, I don't think they would think anything of it and maybe someone would actually read it. Our reputation is not the greatest around here as it is. We would pay you for the ad if you could submit it to our paper, depending on how much it would cost. Maybe we could call it tithing or something and justify the expense. Also, I tried donating to you to receive your nuclear war info and website disc, but after entering all the information, it said access was denied. Our credit card is current, so I don't know what the problem is. Thank you, Jeanette Skeem" "Jeanette Skeem" "hiddenoasis@hotmail.com" "ContactRequested" "7/26/01" "11:29:58 AM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)" "Problem" "Web Site" "" "- You mention in one of your writings that the ""nuclear war"" will come before the millenium... The millenium has come and gone... You are incorrect... In almost every way... You are a sick, demented man... I suggest you get help... The only way I know how to help you is to tell you the truth: There is no god, everything is natural, and science will explain everything humans don't understand... I hope you get better soon... Thank you for reading this... " "Quinn" "Earthdestroyer@hotmail.com" "ContactRequested" "8/21/01" "6:09:54 PM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; MSN 2.6; Windows 98)" "Other" "Flyer Information" "WTC" "From your own site: Quatrain 2:6 NEAR ""the harbor"" and IN TWO CITIES will be two scourges, (Hiroshima and Nagasaki) the like of which have never been seen (before.) Hunger, plague, (fallout) within, people thrown out by the sword will cry for help from the great immortal God. (The bomb's will be repeated in New York and San Francisco, harbors.) " "Ioia" "Gypsii@bigpond.com" "" "9/13/01" "9:02:48 PM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)" "Other" "Flyer Information" "WTC" "From your own site: Quatrain 2:6 NEAR ""the harbor"" and IN TWO CITIES will be two scourges, (Hiroshima and Nagasaki) the like of which have never been seen (before.) Hunger, plague, (fallout) within, people thrown out by the sword will cry for help from the great immortal God. (The bomb's will be repeated in New York and San Francisco, harbors.) " "Ioia" "Gypsii@bigpond.com" "" "9/13/01" "9:03:01 PM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)" "Suggestion" "Web Site" "" "you are a complete idiot" "" "" "" "9/19/01" "5:14:44 PM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98)" "Suggestion" "Personal" "" "If you are a profit; tell me why you predicted Gore would win when Bush won. A prophet is 100 percent accurate; not anything less. " "" "" "" "11/10/01" "11:45:29 PM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 4.0)" "Suggestion" "Personal" "" "If you are a profit; tell me why you predicted Gore would win when Bush won. A prophet is 100 percent accurate; not anything less. " "" "tim.carey@deg.state.wi.us" "" "11/10/01" "11:46:01 PM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 4.0)" "Suggestion" "Personal" "" "If you are a profit; tell me why you predicted Gore would win when Bush won. A prophet is 100 percent accurate; not anything less. " "tim" "tim.carey@deg.state.wi.us" "" "11/10/01" "11:46:17 PM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 4.0)" "Suggestion" "Personal" "" "If you are a profit; tell me why you predicted Gore would win when Bush won. A prophet is 100 percent accurate; not anything less. " "tim" "tim.carey@deg.state.wi.us" "" "11/10/01" "11:46:37 PM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 4.0)" "Suggestion" "Personal" "" "If you are a profit; tell me why you predicted Gore would win when Bush won. A prophet is 100 percent accurate; not anything less. " "tim carey" "tim.carey@deg.state.wi.us" "" "11/10/01" "11:46:47 PM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 4.0)" "Suggestion" "Web Site" "" " What has the Lord revealed to you about the ""INDIANS"" and have you read the 1845 proclamation of the 12 apostles ? Also what line does your priesthood come from? And have you seen your Lord and savor Jesus the Christ ? Is there any community on earth that is living the fulness of the gospel who the Lord is well pleased with at this time? Have you ever read the book ""THE GREAT WHITE INDIAN CHIEF"" that is in the special collections department at the St.George lybruary?? " "davesundin" "davesundin@hotmail.com" "ContactRequested" "12/27/01" "2:32:36 PM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0)" "Suggestion" "Web Site" "" "this website is a horribly written piece of lying filth and its obvious that you plan to brain wash other people with this.I advise you to erase this website off the internet for the good of the people." "" "" "" "2/10/02" "4:32:19 PM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt; MSN 6.1; MSNbDELL; MSNmen-us; MSNc21)" "Suggestion" "Web Site" "" "this website is a horribly written piece of lying filth and its obvious that you plan to brain wash other people with this.I advise you to erase this website off the internet for the good of the people." "bob" "bob@aol.com" "" "2/10/02" "4:32:52 PM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt; MSN 6.1; MSNbDELL; MSNmen-us; MSNc21)" "Suggestion" "Web Site" "" "this website is a horribly written piece of lying filth and its obvious that you plan to brain wash other people with this.I advise you to erase this website off the internet for the good of the people." "bob" "bob@aol.com" "" "2/10/02" "4:32:57 PM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt; MSN 6.1; MSNbDELL; MSNmen-us; MSNc21)" "Suggestion" "(Other)" "" "Prophet, Could you please check out these sites... tentmaker.org and saviorofall.org Thanks" "JanColdwater" "yeshua@nyc.com" "" "2/27/02" "10:54:48 AM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; Q312461)" "Suggestion" "(Other)" "other" "Prophet, Could you please check out these sites... tentmaker.org and saviorofall.org Thanks" "JanColdwater" "yeshua@nyc.com" "" "2/27/02" "10:55:10 AM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; Q312461)" "Suggestion" "Web Site" "" "will this work?" "Leland Freeborn" "leland@parowanprophet.com" "ContactRequested" "5/5/02" "1:27:13 PM" "Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.0; Windows 95)" "Complaint" "Web Site" "" "I also do not believe in the rapture. But you cited the wrong date and person for creating the rapture doctrine. Please change the unintentional lie on your site, or at least do some research before you post something and tell people to print it out and pass it along. here is the truth of to rapture doctrine origin. At the time of the Reformation the early Protestants widely held and Were convinced that the Pope was the supreme individual embodiment and personification of the spirit of antichrist, and the Roman Church the Harlot System of Rev. 17. This understanding was responsible for bringing millions of believers out of the Roman Catholic religious system. It therefore became expedient for certain Romish theologians to turn the attention of the people away from the Papacy, and this they endeavored to a counter-interpretation to that held by the Protestants. This new scheme of prophetic interpretation became known as FUTURISM. Rather than viewing the drama of the book of Revelation spiritually and historically, they would consign it all to a brief period of time at the end of the age. It was a Jesuit priest named Ribera who, in the days of the Reformation, first taught that all the events in the book of Revelation were to take place literally during the three and a half years reign of the Antichrist away down at the end of the age. Thus Ribera laid the foundation of a system of prophetic interpretation of which the Secret Rapture has now become an integral part. Later, Emmanuel Lacunza, also a Jesuit priest, built on Ribera's teachings, and spent much of his life writing a book titled ""The Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty."" Lacunza, however, wrote under the assumed name of ""Rabbi Ben Ezra,"" supposedly a learned Jew who had accepted Christ as his Saviour. With Jesuit cunning he thus conspired to get his book a hearing in the Protestant world - they would not even permit it in their homes coming from a Jesuit pen - but as the earnest work of a ""converted Jew"" they would consume it with avid interest! Within the pages of this elaborate forgery Lacunza taught the novel notion that Jesus returns not once, but twice, and at the ""first stage"" of His return He ""raptures"" His Church so they can escape the reign of the ""future Antichrist."" His book was first published in Spanish in the year 1812 and soon found its way onto the shelves of the library of the Archbishop of Canterbury in London, England. Now enter the name of Edward Irving. Born in Scotland in 1792, Irving became one of the most eloquent preachers of his time. In 1828 his open-air meetings in Scotland drew crowds of 10,000 people. His Church in London seated one thousand people and was packed week after week with a congregation drawn from the most brilliant and influencial circles of society. There were some among them who by prophetic declaration announced that the Lord was coming soon, and this idea became prominent in their prophetic utterances and teachings. Out of those prophetic declarations some began to study the scriptures in the light of a physical, literal coming of the Lord. Up until that time the coming of the Lord was understood as a coming of the Lord TO His people, and IN His saints, and there was no sense of His fleshly coming. Irving discovered Lacunza's book and was deeply shaken by it, in fact, fell in love with it, translated it into English, and it was published in London in 1827. And at this very time Irving heard what he believed to be a Voice from heaven commanding him to preach the Secret Rapture of the Saints. Then Irving began to hold Bible Conferences throughout Scotland, emphasizing the coming of Jesus to rapture His Church. About this same time there began the emergence of a new movement which came to be known as the ""Plymouth Brethren."" The Brethren movement had its beginning in Dublin in 1825 when a small group of earnest men, dissatisfied with the spiritually lethargic condition that prevailed in the Protestant Church in Ireland, met for prayer and fellowship. Soon others joined the fellowship and associated groups sprang up in various places. Though the movement had its beginning at Dublin ' , it was Plymouth, England that became the center of their vast literature outreach, thus the name !'Plymouth Brethren"" became attached. Although there was interest from the start in prophetic subjects, the center of interest was on the body of Christ as an organism and the spiritual unity in Christ of all believers - in reaction to the deadness and formalism of the organized church systems and the ecclesiastical Heirarchy. A man by the name of John Nelson Darby was the leading spirit among the Plymouth Brethren from 1830 onward. Darby was from a prosperous Irish family, was educated as a lawyer, took high honors at Dublin University, then turned aside, to his father's chagrin, to become a minister. Thus Irving and Darby were contemporaries, though associated with different spiritual movements. Another series of meetings were in progress at this time, a group of seeking Christians were meeting in the castle of Lady Powerscourt for the study of Bible prophecy. Many clergymen attended, and quite a few who were Irvingites. The Irvingites came to the meetings obsessed with the ideas of the ""Secret Rapture"" and the future Antichrist, imbibed from the Jesuit Lacunza's book. J.N. Darby and the other Brethren leaders were invited to these meetings and became participators in them. It was there that he was introduced to the Jesuit teaching of the Secret Rapture and the futurist interpretation of prophecy, as well as the famous book by Rabbi Ben-Ezra, or, actually, Jesuit priest Emmanuel Lacunza! Darby was himself a prolific writer and from that time a constant stream of propaganda came from his pen. His writings on biblical subjects number over 30 volumes of 600 pages each. Darby developed and organized ""futurism"" into a system of prophetic teaching called ""dispensationalism."" Darby' s biographers refer to him as ""the father of dispensationalism."" And the crown jewel in the kingdom of dispensationalism is, of course, the so-called SECRET RAPTURE! The Secret Rapture teaching was introduced into the United States and Canada in the 1860's and 1870's, though there is some indication that it may have been taught as early as the 1840's. Darby himself visited the United States six times. The ""new"" teaching was spreading. A Congregationalist preacher by the name of C. I. Scofield came under the influence of Darby and the Plymouth Brethren. Scofield became a strong promoter of the teaching that had been promulgated by Darby, whom he considered ""the most profound Bible student of modern times."" He incorporated this teaching into his SCOFIELD REFERENCE BIBLE. The Scofield Reference Bible was destined to have a tremendous impact upon the beliefs of many, when, three million copies were published in the first 50 years! Through this Bible Scofield shrewdly carried the teaching of the Secret Rapture into the very heart of Evangelicalism. Some ignorant souls look on the ""notes"" in this Bible as the Word of God itself! I do not doubt for one instant that many who read these lines have been influenced somewhere in their spiritual lives by the ""footnotes"" in the Scofield Bible! " "ben meng" "Ben_meng" "ContactRequested" "5/7/02" "8:54:57 PM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 4.0)" "Complaint" "Web Site" "" "I also do not believe in the rapture. But you cited the wrong date and person for creating the rapture doctrine. Please change the unintentional lie on your site, or at least do some research before you post something and tell people to print it out and pass it along. here is the truth of to rapture doctrine origin. At the time of the Reformation the early Protestants widely held and Were convinced that the Pope was the supreme individual embodiment and personification of the spirit of antichrist, and the Roman Church the Harlot System of Rev. 17. This understanding was responsible for bringing millions of believers out of the Roman Catholic religious system. It therefore became expedient for certain Romish theologians to turn the attention of the people away from the Papacy, and this they endeavored to a counter-interpretation to that held by the Protestants. This new scheme of prophetic interpretation became known as FUTURISM. Rather than viewing the drama of the book of Revelation spiritually and historically, they would consign it all to a brief period of time at the end of the age. It was a Jesuit priest named Ribera who, in the days of the Reformation, first taught that all the events in the book of Revelation were to take place literally during the three and a half years reign of the Antichrist away down at the end of the age. Thus Ribera laid the foundation of a system of prophetic interpretation of which the Secret Rapture has now become an integral part. Later, Emmanuel Lacunza, also a Jesuit priest, built on Ribera's teachings, and spent much of his life writing a book titled ""The Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty."" Lacunza, however, wrote under the assumed name of ""Rabbi Ben Ezra,"" supposedly a learned Jew who had accepted Christ as his Saviour. With Jesuit cunning he thus conspired to get his book a hearing in the Protestant world - they would not even permit it in their homes coming from a Jesuit pen - but as the earnest work of a ""converted Jew"" they would consume it with avid interest! Within the pages of this elaborate forgery Lacunza taught the novel notion that Jesus returns not once, but twice, and at the ""first stage"" of His return He ""raptures"" His Church so they can escape the reign of the ""future Antichrist."" His book was first published in Spanish in the year 1812 and soon found its way onto the shelves of the library of the Archbishop of Canterbury in London, England. Now enter the name of Edward Irving. Born in Scotland in 1792, Irving became one of the most eloquent preachers of his time. In 1828 his open-air meetings in Scotland drew crowds of 10,000 people. His Church in London seated one thousand people and was packed week after week with a congregation drawn from the most brilliant and influencial circles of society. There were some among them who by prophetic declaration announced that the Lord was coming soon, and this idea became prominent in their prophetic utterances and teachings. Out of those prophetic declarations some began to study the scriptures in the light of a physical, literal coming of the Lord. Up until that time the coming of the Lord was understood as a coming of the Lord TO His people, and IN His saints, and there was no sense of His fleshly coming. Irving discovered Lacunza's book and was deeply shaken by it, in fact, fell in love with it, translated it into English, and it was published in London in 1827. And at this very time Irving heard what he believed to be a Voice from heaven commanding him to preach the Secret Rapture of the Saints. Then Irving began to hold Bible Conferences throughout Scotland, emphasizing the coming of Jesus to rapture His Church. About this same time there began the emergence of a new movement which came to be known as the ""Plymouth Brethren."" The Brethren movement had its beginning in Dublin in 1825 when a small group of earnest men, dissatisfied with the spiritually lethargic condition that prevailed in the Protestant Church in Ireland, met for prayer and fellowship. Soon others joined the fellowship and associated groups sprang up in various places. Though the movement had its beginning at Dublin ' , it was Plymouth, England that became the center of their vast literature outreach, thus the name !'Plymouth Brethren"" became attached. Although there was interest from the start in prophetic subjects, the center of interest was on the body of Christ as an organism and the spiritual unity in Christ of all believers - in reaction to the deadness and formalism of the organized church systems and the ecclesiastical Heirarchy. A man by the name of John Nelson Darby was the leading spirit among the Plymouth Brethren from 1830 onward. Darby was from a prosperous Irish family, was educated as a lawyer, took high honors at Dublin University, then turned aside, to his father's chagrin, to become a minister. Thus Irving and Darby were contemporaries, though associated with different spiritual movements. Another series of meetings were in progress at this time, a group of seeking Christians were meeting in the castle of Lady Powerscourt for the study of Bible prophecy. Many clergymen attended, and quite a few who were Irvingites. The Irvingites came to the meetings obsessed with the ideas of the ""Secret Rapture"" and the future Antichrist, imbibed from the Jesuit Lacunza's book. J.N. Darby and the other Brethren leaders were invited to these meetings and became participators in them. It was there that he was introduced to the Jesuit teaching of the Secret Rapture and the futurist interpretation of prophecy, as well as the famous book by Rabbi Ben-Ezra, or, actually, Jesuit priest Emmanuel Lacunza! Darby was himself a prolific writer and from that time a constant stream of propaganda came from his pen. His writings on biblical subjects number over 30 volumes of 600 pages each. Darby developed and organized ""futurism"" into a system of prophetic teaching called ""dispensationalism."" Darby' s biographers refer to him as ""the father of dispensationalism."" And the crown jewel in the kingdom of dispensationalism is, of course, the so-called SECRET RAPTURE! The Secret Rapture teaching was introduced into the United States and Canada in the 1860's and 1870's, though there is some indication that it may have been taught as early as the 1840's. Darby himself visited the United States six times. The ""new"" teaching was spreading. A Congregationalist preacher by the name of C. I. Scofield came under the influence of Darby and the Plymouth Brethren. Scofield became a strong promoter of the teaching that had been promulgated by Darby, whom he considered ""the most profound Bible student of modern times."" He incorporated this teaching into his SCOFIELD REFERENCE BIBLE. The Scofield Reference Bible was destined to have a tremendous impact upon the beliefs of many, when, three million copies were published in the first 50 years! Through this Bible Scofield shrewdly carried the teaching of the Secret Rapture into the very heart of Evangelicalism. Some ignorant souls look on the ""notes"" in this Bible as the Word of God itself! I do not doubt for one instant that many who read these lines have been influenced somewhere in their spiritual lives by the ""footnotes"" in the Scofield Bible! " "ben meng" "ben_meng@hotmail.com" "ContactRequested" "5/7/02" "8:55:13 PM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 4.0)" "Problem" "Web Site" "" "I also do not believe in the rapture. But you cited the wrong date and person for creating the rapture doctrine. Please change the unintentional lie on your site, or at least do some research before you post something and tell people to print it out and pass it along. here is the truth of to rapture doctrine origin. At the time of the Reformation the early Protestants widely held and Were convinced that the Pope was the supreme individual embodiment and personification of the spirit of antichrist, and the Roman Church the Harlot System of Rev. 17. This understanding was responsible for bringing millions of believers out of the Roman Catholic religious system. It therefore became expedient for certain Romish theologians to turn the attention of the people away from the Papacy, and this they endeavored to a counter-interpretation to that held by the Protestants. This new scheme of prophetic interpretation became known as FUTURISM. Rather than viewing the drama of the book of Revelation spiritually and historically, they would consign it all to a brief period of time at the end of the age. It was a Jesuit priest named Ribera who, in the days of the Reformation, first taught that all the events in the book of Revelation were to take place literally during the three and a half years reign of the Antichrist away down at the end of the age. Thus Ribera laid the foundation of a system of prophetic interpretation of which the Secret Rapture has now become an integral part. Later, Emmanuel Lacunza, also a Jesuit priest, built on Ribera's teachings, and spent much of his life writing a book titled ""The Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty."" Lacunza, however, wrote under the assumed name of ""Rabbi Ben Ezra,"" supposedly a learned Jew who had accepted Christ as his Saviour. With Jesuit cunning he thus conspired to get his book a hearing in the Protestant world - they would not even permit it in their homes coming from a Jesuit pen - but as the earnest work of a ""converted Jew"" they would consume it with avid interest! Within the pages of this elaborate forgery Lacunza taught the novel notion that Jesus returns not once, but twice, and at the ""first stage"" of His return He ""raptures"" His Church so they can escape the reign of the ""future Antichrist."" His book was first published in Spanish in the year 1812 and soon found its way onto the shelves of the library of the Archbishop of Canterbury in London, England. Now enter the name of Edward Irving. Born in Scotland in 1792, Irving became one of the most eloquent preachers of his time. In 1828 his open-air meetings in Scotland drew crowds of 10,000 people. His Church in London seated one thousand people and was packed week after week with a congregation drawn from the most brilliant and influencial circles of society. There were some among them who by prophetic declaration announced that the Lord was coming soon, and this idea became prominent in their prophetic utterances and teachings. Out of those prophetic declarations some began to study the scriptures in the light of a physical, literal coming of the Lord. Up until that time the coming of the Lord was understood as a coming of the Lord TO His people, and IN His saints, and there was no sense of His fleshly coming. Irving discovered Lacunza's book and was deeply shaken by it, in fact, fell in love with it, translated it into English, and it was published in London in 1827. And at this very time Irving heard what he believed to be a Voice from heaven commanding him to preach the Secret Rapture of the Saints. Then Irving began to hold Bible Conferences throughout Scotland, emphasizing the coming of Jesus to rapture His Church. About this same time there began the emergence of a new movement which came to be known as the ""Plymouth Brethren."" The Brethren movement had its beginning in Dublin in 1825 when a small group of earnest men, dissatisfied with the spiritually lethargic condition that prevailed in the Protestant Church in Ireland, met for prayer and fellowship. Soon others joined the fellowship and associated groups sprang up in various places. Though the movement had its beginning at Dublin ' , it was Plymouth, England that became the center of their vast literature outreach, thus the name !'Plymouth Brethren"" became attached. Although there was interest from the start in prophetic subjects, the center of interest was on the body of Christ as an organism and the spiritual unity in Christ of all believers - in reaction to the deadness and formalism of the organized church systems and the ecclesiastical Heirarchy. A man by the name of John Nelson Darby was the leading spirit among the Plymouth Brethren from 1830 onward. Darby was from a prosperous Irish family, was educated as a lawyer, took high honors at Dublin University, then turned aside, to his father's chagrin, to become a minister. Thus Irving and Darby were contemporaries, though associated with different spiritual movements. Another series of meetings were in progress at this time, a group of seeking Christians were meeting in the castle of Lady Powerscourt for the study of Bible prophecy. Many clergymen attended, and quite a few who were Irvingites. The Irvingites came to the meetings obsessed with the ideas of the ""Secret Rapture"" and the future Antichrist, imbibed from the Jesuit Lacunza's book. J.N. Darby and the other Brethren leaders were invited to these meetings and became participators in them. It was there that he was introduced to the Jesuit teaching of the Secret Rapture and the futurist interpretation of prophecy, as well as the famous book by Rabbi Ben-Ezra, or, actually, Jesuit priest Emmanuel Lacunza! Darby was himself a prolific writer and from that time a constant stream of propaganda came from his pen. His writings on biblical subjects number over 30 volumes of 600 pages each. Darby developed and organized ""futurism"" into a system of prophetic teaching called ""dispensationalism."" Darby' s biographers refer to him as ""the father of dispensationalism."" And the crown jewel in the kingdom of dispensationalism is, of course, the so-called SECRET RAPTURE! The Secret Rapture teaching was introduced into the United States and Canada in the 1860's and 1870's, though there is some indication that it may have been taught as early as the 1840's. Darby himself visited the United States six times. The ""new"" teaching was spreading. A Congregationalist preacher by the name of C. I. Scofield came under the influence of Darby and the Plymouth Brethren. Scofield became a strong promoter of the teaching that had been promulgated by Darby, whom he considered ""the most profound Bible student of modern times."" He incorporated this teaching into his SCOFIELD REFERENCE BIBLE. The Scofield Reference Bible was destined to have a tremendous impact upon the beliefs of many, when, three million copies were published in the first 50 years! Through this Bible Scofield shrewdly carried the teaching of the Secret Rapture into the very heart of Evangelicalism. Some ignorant souls look on the ""notes"" in this Bible as the Word of God itself! I do not doubt for one instant that many who read these lines have been influenced somewhere in their spiritual lives by the ""footnotes"" in the Scofield Bible! " "ben meng" "ben_meng@hotmail.com" "ContactRequested" "5/7/02" "8:55:25 PM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 4.0)" "Problem" "Web Site" "" "I also do not believe in the rapture. But you cited the wrong date and person for creating the rapture doctrine. Please change the unintentional lie on your site, or at least do some research before you post something and tell people to print it out and pass it along. here is the truth of to rapture doctrine origin. At the time of the Reformation the early Protestants widely held and Were convinced that the Pope was the supreme individual embodiment and personification of the spirit of antichrist, and the Roman Church the Harlot System of Rev. 17. This understanding was responsible for bringing millions of believers out of the Roman Catholic religious system. It therefore became expedient for certain Romish theologians to turn the attention of the people away from the Papacy, and this they endeavored to a counter-interpretation to that held by the Protestants. This new scheme of prophetic interpretation became known as FUTURISM. Rather than viewing the drama of the book of Revelation spiritually and historically, they would consign it all to a brief period of time at the end of the age. It was a Jesuit priest named Ribera who, in the days of the Reformation, first taught that all the events in the book of Revelation were to take place literally during the three and a half years reign of the Antichrist away down at the end of the age. Thus Ribera laid the foundation of a system of prophetic interpretation of which the Secret Rapture has now become an integral part. Later, Emmanuel Lacunza, also a Jesuit priest, built on Ribera's teachings, and spent much of his life writing a book titled ""The Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty."" Lacunza, however, wrote under the assumed name of ""Rabbi Ben Ezra,"" supposedly a learned Jew who had accepted Christ as his Saviour. With Jesuit cunning he thus conspired to get his book a hearing in the Protestant world - they would not even permit it in their homes coming from a Jesuit pen - but as the earnest work of a ""converted Jew"" they would consume it with avid interest! Within the pages of this elaborate forgery Lacunza taught the novel notion that Jesus returns not once, but twice, and at the ""first stage"" of His return He ""raptures"" His Church so they can escape the reign of the ""future Antichrist."" His book was first published in Spanish in the year 1812 and soon found its way onto the shelves of the library of the Archbishop of Canterbury in London, England. Now enter the name of Edward Irving. Born in Scotland in 1792, Irving became one of the most eloquent preachers of his time. In 1828 his open-air meetings in Scotland drew crowds of 10,000 people. His Church in London seated one thousand people and was packed week after week with a congregation drawn from the most brilliant and influencial circles of society. There were some among them who by prophetic declaration announced that the Lord was coming soon, and this idea became prominent in their prophetic utterances and teachings. Out of those prophetic declarations some began to study the scriptures in the light of a physical, literal coming of the Lord. Up until that time the coming of the Lord was understood as a coming of the Lord TO His people, and IN His saints, and there was no sense of His fleshly coming. Irving discovered Lacunza's book and was deeply shaken by it, in fact, fell in love with it, translated it into English, and it was published in London in 1827. And at this very time Irving heard what he believed to be a Voice from heaven commanding him to preach the Secret Rapture of the Saints. Then Irving began to hold Bible Conferences throughout Scotland, emphasizing the coming of Jesus to rapture His Church. About this same time there began the emergence of a new movement which came to be known as the ""Plymouth Brethren."" The Brethren movement had its beginning in Dublin in 1825 when a small group of earnest men, dissatisfied with the spiritually lethargic condition that prevailed in the Protestant Church in Ireland, met for prayer and fellowship. Soon others joined the fellowship and associated groups sprang up in various places. Though the movement had its beginning at Dublin ' , it was Plymouth, England that became the center of their vast literature outreach, thus the name !'Plymouth Brethren"" became attached. Although there was interest from the start in prophetic subjects, the center of interest was on the body of Christ as an organism and the spiritual unity in Christ of all believers - in reaction to the deadness and formalism of the organized church systems and the ecclesiastical Heirarchy. A man by the name of John Nelson Darby was the leading spirit among the Plymouth Brethren from 1830 onward. Darby was from a prosperous Irish family, was educated as a lawyer, took high honors at Dublin University, then turned aside, to his father's chagrin, to become a minister. Thus Irving and Darby were contemporaries, though associated with different spiritual movements. Another series of meetings were in progress at this time, a group of seeking Christians were meeting in the castle of Lady Powerscourt for the study of Bible prophecy. Many clergymen attended, and quite a few who were Irvingites. The Irvingites came to the meetings obsessed with the ideas of the ""Secret Rapture"" and the future Antichrist, imbibed from the Jesuit Lacunza's book. J.N. Darby and the other Brethren leaders were invited to these meetings and became participators in them. It was there that he was introduced to the Jesuit teaching of the Secret Rapture and the futurist interpretation of prophecy, as well as the famous book by Rabbi Ben-Ezra, or, actually, Jesuit priest Emmanuel Lacunza! Darby was himself a prolific writer and from that time a constant stream of propaganda came from his pen. His writings on biblical subjects number over 30 volumes of 600 pages each. Darby developed and organized ""futurism"" into a system of prophetic teaching called ""dispensationalism."" Darby' s biographers refer to him as ""the father of dispensationalism."" And the crown jewel in the kingdom of dispensationalism is, of course, the so-called SECRET RAPTURE! The Secret Rapture teaching was introduced into the United States and Canada in the 1860's and 1870's, though there is some indication that it may have been taught as early as the 1840's. Darby himself visited the United States six times. The ""new"" teaching was spreading. A Congregationalist preacher by the name of C. I. Scofield came under the influence of Darby and the Plymouth Brethren. Scofield became a strong promoter of the teaching that had been promulgated by Darby, whom he considered ""the most profound Bible student of modern times."" He incorporated this teaching into his SCOFIELD REFERENCE BIBLE. The Scofield Reference Bible was destined to have a tremendous impact upon the beliefs of many, when, three million copies were published in the first 50 years! Through this Bible Scofield shrewdly carried the teaching of the Secret Rapture into the very heart of Evangelicalism. Some ignorant souls look on the ""notes"" in this Bible as the Word of God itself! I do not doubt for one instant that many who read these lines have been influenced somewhere in their spiritual lives by the ""footnotes"" in the Scofield Bible! " "ben meng" "ben_meng@hotmail.com" "" "5/7/02" "8:55:32 PM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 4.0)" "Problem" "Web Site" "w" "I also do not believe in the rapture. But you cited the wrong date and person for creating the rapture doctrine. Please change the unintentional lie on your site, or at least do some research before you post something and tell people to print it out and pass it along. here is the truth of to rapture doctrine origin. At the time of the Reformation the early Protestants widely held and Were convinced that the Pope was the supreme individual embodiment and personification of the spirit of antichrist, and the Roman Church the Harlot System of Rev. 17. This understanding was responsible for bringing millions of believers out of the Roman Catholic religious system. It therefore became expedient for certain Romish theologians to turn the attention of the people away from the Papacy, and this they endeavored to a counter-interpretation to that held by the Protestants. This new scheme of prophetic interpretation became known as FUTURISM. Rather than viewing the drama of the book of Revelation spiritually and historically, they would consign it all to a brief period of time at the end of the age. It was a Jesuit priest named Ribera who, in the days of the Reformation, first taught that all the events in the book of Revelation were to take place literally during the three and a half years reign of the Antichrist away down at the end of the age. Thus Ribera laid the foundation of a system of prophetic interpretation of which the Secret Rapture has now become an integral part. Later, Emmanuel Lacunza, also a Jesuit priest, built on Ribera's teachings, and spent much of his life writing a book titled ""The Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty."" Lacunza, however, wrote under the assumed name of ""Rabbi Ben Ezra,"" supposedly a learned Jew who had accepted Christ as his Saviour. With Jesuit cunning he thus conspired to get his book a hearing in the Protestant world - they would not even permit it in their homes coming from a Jesuit pen - but as the earnest work of a ""converted Jew"" they would consume it with avid interest! Within the pages of this elaborate forgery Lacunza taught the novel notion that Jesus returns not once, but twice, and at the ""first stage"" of His return He ""raptures"" His Church so they can escape the reign of the ""future Antichrist."" His book was first published in Spanish in the year 1812 and soon found its way onto the shelves of the library of the Archbishop of Canterbury in London, England. Now enter the name of Edward Irving. Born in Scotland in 1792, Irving became one of the most eloquent preachers of his time. In 1828 his open-air meetings in Scotland drew crowds of 10,000 people. His Church in London seated one thousand people and was packed week after week with a congregation drawn from the most brilliant and influencial circles of society. There were some among them who by prophetic declaration announced that the Lord was coming soon, and this idea became prominent in their prophetic utterances and teachings. Out of those prophetic declarations some began to study the scriptures in the light of a physical, literal coming of the Lord. Up until that time the coming of the Lord was understood as a coming of the Lord TO His people, and IN His saints, and there was no sense of His fleshly coming. Irving discovered Lacunza's book and was deeply shaken by it, in fact, fell in love with it, translated it into English, and it was published in London in 1827. And at this very time Irving heard what he believed to be a Voice from heaven commanding him to preach the Secret Rapture of the Saints. Then Irving began to hold Bible Conferences throughout Scotland, emphasizing the coming of Jesus to rapture His Church. About this same time there began the emergence of a new movement which came to be known as the ""Plymouth Brethren."" The Brethren movement had its beginning in Dublin in 1825 when a small group of earnest men, dissatisfied with the spiritually lethargic condition that prevailed in the Protestant Church in Ireland, met for prayer and fellowship. Soon others joined the fellowship and associated groups sprang up in various places. Though the movement had its beginning at Dublin ' , it was Plymouth, England that became the center of their vast literature outreach, thus the name !'Plymouth Brethren"" became attached. Although there was interest from the start in prophetic subjects, the center of interest was on the body of Christ as an organism and the spiritual unity in Christ of all believers - in reaction to the deadness and formalism of the organized church systems and the ecclesiastical Heirarchy. A man by the name of John Nelson Darby was the leading spirit among the Plymouth Brethren from 1830 onward. Darby was from a prosperous Irish family, was educated as a lawyer, took high honors at Dublin University, then turned aside, to his father's chagrin, to become a minister. Thus Irving and Darby were contemporaries, though associated with different spiritual movements. Another series of meetings were in progress at this time, a group of seeking Christians were meeting in the castle of Lady Powerscourt for the study of Bible prophecy. Many clergymen attended, and quite a few who were Irvingites. The Irvingites came to the meetings obsessed with the ideas of the ""Secret Rapture"" and the future Antichrist, imbibed from the Jesuit Lacunza's book. J.N. Darby and the other Brethren leaders were invited to these meetings and became participators in them. It was there that he was introduced to the Jesuit teaching of the Secret Rapture and the futurist interpretation of prophecy, as well as the famous book by Rabbi Ben-Ezra, or, actually, Jesuit priest Emmanuel Lacunza! Darby was himself a prolific writer and from that time a constant stream of propaganda came from his pen. His writings on biblical subjects number over 30 volumes of 600 pages each. Darby developed and organized ""futurism"" into a system of prophetic teaching called ""dispensationalism."" Darby' s biographers refer to him as ""the father of dispensationalism."" And the crown jewel in the kingdom of dispensationalism is, of course, the so-called SECRET RAPTURE! The Secret Rapture teaching was introduced into the United States and Canada in the 1860's and 1870's, though there is some indication that it may have been taught as early as the 1840's. Darby himself visited the United States six times. The ""new"" teaching was spreading. A Congregationalist preacher by the name of C. I. Scofield came under the influence of Darby and the Plymouth Brethren. Scofield became a strong promoter of the teaching that had been promulgated by Darby, whom he considered ""the most profound Bible student of modern times."" He incorporated this teaching into his SCOFIELD REFERENCE BIBLE. The Scofield Reference Bible was destined to have a tremendous impact upon the beliefs of many, when, three million copies were published in the first 50 years! Through this Bible Scofield shrewdly carried the teaching of the Secret Rapture into the very heart of Evangelicalism. Some ignorant souls look on the ""notes"" in this Bible as the Word of God itself! I do not doubt for one instant that many who read these lines have been influenced somewhere in their spiritual lives by the ""footnotes"" in the Scofield Bible! " "ben meng" "ben_meng@hotmail.com" "" "5/7/02" "8:55:37 PM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 4.0)" "Suggestion" "Web Site" "" "You poor, stupid idiot." "" "" "" "6/16/02" "2:55:31 AM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.14; Mac_PowerPC)" "Suggestion" "Web Site" "Photon Light" " Leland, The Photon Light featured at your site is an LED flashlight. An LED is a Light Emmitting Diode. It is a solid state semiconductor device. As such, EMP will knock these out, and most would not function in the aftermath of a thermonuclear war. Otherwise they are great because of their size, light weight, brightness, ruggedness, and battery life. Thought you might like to know. I don't need a response to this post. Dave " "Dave iler, Cedar City" "iler@suuper.cc.suu.edu" "" "7/30/02" "2:49:01 PM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98)" "Complaint" "Web Site" "" "You are aware what you are doing is illegal, correct? I know you, sir. (that is all that i will call you for your privacies sake.) that plane crash just rattled your brain, thats all. I am sorry that it happened to you. YOU ARE NOT A PROPHET, FACE THE FACTS! Litterally, folks. This man WAS in an airplane accident and had a ""vision"" that he should join the polygamist church and live on high. Every day I walk past his house, just near Main Street, also near the Highschool and Charles Skinner's house. It's big, beat up, and depressing looking, this my friends, is your prophet. A mentally ill man, he was a GREAT man, with great children...but what he did restrained them from ever acheieving goals in life. I know you ""prophet"" and this...this is not you. Stop now while your ahead, and before you do anymore damage. " "Observer" "Bluesgotaclue@hotmail.com" "" "9/12/02" "12:54:45 AM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; MSN 6.1; MSNbBBYZ; MSNmen-us; MSNc21)" "Suggestion" "Web Site" "" "You are aware what you are doing is illegal, correct? I know you, sir. (that is all that i will call you for your privacies sake.) that plane crash just rattled your brain, thats all. I am sorry that it happened to you. YOU ARE NOT A PROPHET, FACE THE FACTS! Litterally, folks. This man WAS in an airplane accident and had a ""vision"" that he should join the polygamist church and live on high. Every day I walk past his house, just near Main Street, also near the Highschool and Charles Skinner's house. It's big, beat up, and depressing looking, this my friends, is your prophet. A mentally ill man, he was a GREAT man, with great children...but what he did restrained them from ever acheieving goals in life. I know you ""prophet"" and this...this is not you. Stop now while your ahead, and before you do anymore damage. " "Observer" "Bluesgotaclue@hotmail.com" "" "9/12/02" "12:55:03 AM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; MSN 6.1; MSNbBBYZ; MSNmen-us; MSNc21)" "Other" "(Other)" "need guidance to serve Yahshua" "Please ask the Lord what it is that I am contacting you about, as that will assist my faith in accepting your response. This is personal for me, yes, but because it involves my duty to the Lord, and thus may affect many others. I've had much opposition in my life, and much sin, perhaps not only because of my weaknesses, but maybe because I have a calling and a commitment from the pre-mortal. I was once baptised into the LDS church in Montana, but dug deeper than most for truth and when I returned to Wisconsin (birthplace) was excommunicated oustensibly for ""talking"" about the Adam-God doctrine and refusing to cease doing so. Fell back into sin, but continued to search for truth. I will leave it to the Lord to tell you what happened that He feels is relevant between then and now. I have sought for authentic priesthood auhtority and I am encouraged (and of course apprehensive due to my unworthiness) to have found a living person who has met the Lord. I hope I may be yet worthy while in mortal flesh to know Him or at least some of His prophets. (I vsited and once recieved a blessing from Ogden Kraut, and I am fairly confident that He is in righteous company beyond the veil -- at least I hope so.) Awaiting your reply. rcs" "Robert Shavie" "rshavie@mtc.net" "ContactRequested" "1/21/03" "1:09:57 PM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; Q312461; .NET CLR 1.0.3705)" "Other" "(Other)" "need guidance to serve Yahshua" "Please ask the Lord what it is that I am contacting you about, as that will assist my faith in accepting your response. This is personal for me, yes, but because it involves my duty to the Lord, and thus may affect many others. I've had much opposition in my life, and much sin, perhaps not only because of my weaknesses, but maybe because I have a calling and a commitment from the pre-mortal. I was once baptised into the LDS church in Montana, but dug deeper than most for truth and when I returned to Wisconsin (birthplace) was excommunicated oustensibly for ""talking"" about the Adam-God doctrine and refusing to cease doing so. Fell back into sin, but continued to search for truth. I will leave it to the Lord to tell you what happened that He feels is relevant between then and now. I have sought for authentic priesthood auhtority and I am encouraged (and of course apprehensive due to my unworthiness) to have found a living person who has met the Lord. I hope I may be yet worthy while in mortal flesh to know Him or at least some of His prophets. (I vsited and once recieved a blessing from Ogden Kraut, and I am fairly confident that He is in righteous company beyond the veil -- at least I hope so.) Awaiting your reply. rcs" "Robert Shavie" "rshavie@mtc.net" "ContactRequested" "1/21/03" "1:10:06 PM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; Q312461; .NET CLR 1.0.3705)" "Other" "(Other)" "need guidance to serve Yahshua" "Please ask the Lord exactly what it is that I am contacting you about, as that will assist my faith in accepting your response. This is personal for me, yes, but because it involves my duty to the Lord, and thus may affect many others. I've had much opposition in my life, and much sin, perhaps not only because of my weaknesses, but maybe because I have a calling and a commitment from the pre-mortal. I was once baptised into the LDS church in Montana, but dug deeper than most for truth and when I returned to Wisconsin (birthplace) was excommunicated oustensibly for ""talking"" about the Adam-God doctrine and refusing to cease doing so. Fell back into sin worse than ever, but continued to search for truth elsewhere and eventually returned to latter day revelation. I will leave it to the Lord to tell you what happened that He feels is relevant between then and now. I have sought for authentic priesthood auhtority so that I might be able to approach the Lord and recieve the guidance I need to do His work correctly. I am encouraged (and of course apprehensive due to my unworthiness) to have found a living person who has met the Lord. I hope I may be yet worthy while in mortal flesh to know Him or at least some of His prophets. (I vsited and once recieved a blessing from Ogden Kraut, and I am fairly confident that He is now in righteous company beyond the veil -- at least I hope so.) Awaiting your reply. rcs" "Robert Shavie" "rshavie@mtc.net" "ContactRequested" "1/21/03" "1:14:48 PM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; Q312461; .NET CLR 1.0.3705)" "Other" "(Other)" "need guidance to serve Yahshua" "Please ask the Lord exactly what it is that I am contacting you about, as that will assist my faith in accepting your response. This is personal for me, yes, but because it involves my duty to the Lord, and thus may affect many others. I've had much opposition in my life, and much sin, perhaps not only because of my weaknesses, but maybe because I have a calling and a commitment from the pre-mortal. I was once baptised into the LDS church in Montana, but dug deeper than most for truth and when I returned to Wisconsin (birthplace) was excommunicated oustensibly for ""talking"" about the Adam-God doctrine and refusing to cease doing so. Fell back into sin worse than ever, but continued to search for truth elsewhere and eventually returned to latter day revelation. I will leave it to the Lord to tell you what happened that He feels is relevant between then and now. I have sought for authentic priesthood auhtority so that I might be able to approach the Lord and recieve the guidance I need to do His work correctly. I am encouraged (and of course apprehensive due to my unworthiness) to have found a living person who has met the Lord. I hope I may be yet worthy while in mortal flesh to know Him or at least some of His prophets. (I vsited and once recieved a blessing from Ogden Kraut, and I am fairly confident that He is now in righteous company beyond the veil -- at least I hope so.) Awaiting your reply. rcs" "Robert Shavie" "rshavie@mtc.net" "ContactRequested" "1/21/03" "1:15:13 PM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; Q312461; .NET CLR 1.0.3705)" "Problem" "(Other)" "E-mail contact of Leland Freeborn" "I have tried nemerous times to contact Mr. Leland Freeborn, using the feature provided by your site, without success. Would you please sned me an e-mail address from which he will answer. Thank you! My address: (please don't sell, trade, give away, or spam) rshavie@mtc.net" "Robert C. Shavie" "rshavie@mtc.net" "ContactRequested" "1/27/03" "9:06:36 AM" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; Q312461; .NET CLR 1.0.3705)" "Problem" "(Other)" "E-mail contact of Leland Freeborn" "I have tried nemerous times to contact Mr. Leland Freeborn, using the feature provided by your site, without success. Would you please sned me an e-mail address from which he will answer. Thank you! 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Customer Review: Write an online review and share your thoughts with other customers. 6 of 6 people found the following review helpful: Data nearly 50 years old, but still seems valid..., February 19, 2002 Reviewer: William E. Adams (see more about me) from Lovington, NM United States This work first saw print in 1956. It is the story of a UFO cult in a large city in the Midwest...how it developed, how the leaders recruited followers, how predictions about the coming end of the world started flowing from the psychic members who allegedly channeled messages from the spacemen/pilots. The cult members were told they would be saved, picked up by saucers on an appointed date. The members quit jobs, sold possessions, and gathered, only to be disappointed. Did they all quit in a huff? No way. The first failure only made them more determined they were right, more anxious to be ready for the next announced departure date. Then a second failure. A few members fell away, a few suffered doubts, a few challenged for leadership themselves. The point of this book is that it takes ""three disconfirmations"" to kill a movement of true believers, and even then, some still hang on to the discredited ""theology"" by grasping at excuses. I found this book by accident about 30 years ago, and have read it at least four times. I find it fascinating. In the 1970's I knew two women in Albuquerque who were amateur psychics. They started bringing forth ""space brethren messages"" and eventually, although they failed to attract a following, they went up into the nearby mountains one night sure they would be lifted off before the coming unspecified disaster. They waited, but no ship appeared. I think people inclined toward UFO beliefs haven't changed much since this book was published. The basic data shown in this study can apply to religious or political groups as well. 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